7.28.2011

Will it be HEA?

I've been asked this question since Hide and Drink was out there, and even more often when H&D arrived at its original end point (tragic).  I do love a good tragedy.  With the latest developments in Unexpected Circumstances, this question is being asked again.  A lot! :)

I don't make any assurances on a work in progress.  I'm not so sure you'd want my opinion on it anyway, considering I had no idea the current UC issue was going to cause such an uproar.  I'm obviously not a good judge with how others perceive things!  

Warning!  Offside Foreshadowing!!  Don't read this paragraph if you don't want to know! It's very possible what shall be coming up soon in Offside is going to tick someone off, too.  I'll probably lose readers, because...well...I guess I can't say "because," because I don't get it. :)  To each their own.  Some people definitely aren't going to like what happens.  I'm not sure if this is news to anyone, but sometimes you aren't supposed to "like" it.  Sometimes its there to make you think, to make you feel, or to make you consider a topic in a different light.

And sometimes, shit just happens.

If you've read my other (complete) stories, and were satisfied with the ending, you'll probably be satisfied with the ending of most of what I write.  They may or may not be HEA.  They should still be satisfying and make sense, considering what the protagonist(s) have endured and learned.

33 comments:

  1. You are making me sad again :( Because I feel like there will be a separation in Offside. And that is something I can't stand :\ Can deal with all the other angst; sort of. But hate the whole leaving thing. Hated it in Hide and Drink too, but when I read that, I didn't think the same way I do know ;p Was more open for things, before. Anyway, I really, really, really hope you don't but E/B apart in Offside. :) Although I fear you will :\
    Love, Carina

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  2. I have a feeling UC is going to be HEA but I'm suspicious about Offside. Especially when you pointed Offside out like that. Bella and Edward don't end up together do they? I know you didn't put Offside under romance so I get it.
    Love all your stories no matter what but UC has to be HEA!

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  3. Personally, I prefer a HEA - after a realistic struggle.  I hate stories that make it too easy.

    That being said, the stories that I remember most vividly - that haunt me - are the ones without a HEA.  Again, it's like Romeo and Juliet, West Side Story - the reader can't help but torture themselves about how close the lovers were to making it...but didn't.

    Obviously, your reader's opinions aren't going to change your plot (nor should they), however I think the characters and the readers of UC have earned a HEA.  Yes, shit happens and real life sucks sometimes - but we read to escape the real.  

    We read to believe that the impossible can become possible.

    So, for example, if UC ends with Aro storming the castle and Bella getting gang raped while Edward is forced to watch, I'm really going to be like, WTF?!  Why did I invest all my hope in a situation that went from bad, to worse, to FUBAR?  But that's just me.

    As for Offside - I think you've foreshadowed (intentional or not) enough to make a not HEA logical.  I'm kind of dreading what might be coming, but it's not as if we don't know that Carlise is a sadistic pervy bastard, and that Edward is totally under his control.  If things go south there, I'll be upset - but not surprised.

    Anyway, thanks for the not - can't wait to read more. 

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  4. Well, I'm still waiting for an ending of my favorite of yours 'Judging books'.  Too many loose ends.

    As for 'Offside'...the kind of relationship he has with his Dad is very telling.  I have a feeling it won't be good between E&B because of this but I do see an epilogue of sorts years later for some reason of a better possibility of them making another go at it.

    'UC' is turning into a behemoth of a story and I am loving the journey, with it's ups an downs...and the feeling that it will end better than 'Offside' but that's just me.

    I'm with you Shay, whatever direction you choose for YOUR stories.

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  5. I am planning a review of H/D on my blog twilightirruption.blogspot as I find your story a real challenge to Meyer's Twilight. NIce work.

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  6. I had a feeling Offside wasn't going to be HEA. I just hope Edward gets away from Carlisle because he's a monster. He'll be 18 soon so hopefully he moves out and away from Carlise. I can't believe I'm saying that but I don't think Edward and Bella will last. That's where the HEA doesn't happen does it? Well that's that. I want to say that UC has to have a HEA. It has to! You're a fantastic writer so I know you won't disappoint.

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  7. Wait...What? I thought Hide and Drink had a good ending.  It's been a while, but I thought (spoiler) he changed her.  It's been a while... well, if that's not what happened then just don't tell me.

    Thank you for the heads up on Offsides.  I get the updates, but have chosen not to read it yet because I was worried about the angst.  I am however, reading UC and love it, but I really can't take any more sorrow right now.  I will decide on Offsides when it is finished.

    I have read all of your stories, several times, actually, and I am generally satisfied with the endings.  I don't have to have a perfect ending, I just need for Edward and Bella to be together and in love.  I really hope for more with UC, but I will be ok as long as they are together and happily in love.  Even if they lose everything, just please make them together and in love.  Thanks!

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  8. Sometimes what most people would think of as a HEA ending is what's right for the story. I accept that. I'd rather have the story end in a plausible way that makes sense for the characters and the events in the story than to have some arbitrary, forced conclusion that's there just to keep certain people happy. Life doesn't always have happy endings; why should our fiction?

    You have my full support and faith, as always.

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  9. Ok, why was the end of H&D tragic? Do you mean his change? I didn't see that as tragic in the end. 

    Anyway, I think you are wrong about not being a good judge on perception. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to write the amazing stories you write. I think it's just that you are writing very mature content and sometimes the people that read it are not mature LOL 

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  10. I just finished CBWR? and I thought it had a HEA. It wasn't a roses and rainbows happy ever after, but it was cool and realistic. That being said, I'm holding out hope for Soccerward because it's obvious he's crazy about Bella. He just has to get away from his asshole father, and after this current stunt, I could totally see Edward shooting his father in the head. And I'd probably cheer. Loudly.

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  11. i actually thought that all of her previous stories had hea's, relatively speaking of course.





    the problem i'm having with uc is that the level of angst has exceeded what i feel i'm able to comfortably tolerate.   with respect to offside, i don't relish the thought of the angst to come.  it may be one i'll just have to come back to when it's done.  unless of course at the end of it, edward does in fact shoot carlisle in the head, as you suggested.   i'm thinking right between the eyes.











     

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  12. I have been known to take a break and come back in a few chapters but I always love your stuff. I just don't do well with unresolved. Stephenie Meyer even asked readers to read New Moon again because so many people read to get to B&E getting back together that they did not give Jacob a chance. Once you are no longer anxious you can enjoy what the author is trying to do with their story.

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  13. The original end was when he left her for Volturi, never to return.

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  14. I'm not concerned about a happy ending and yes, I know that "shit happens".  But the ongoing abuse that Edward is enduring is what's distressing for me. It's realistic, yes, but in real life, in school, it wouldn't have been ignored.  In real life, teachers would act on his behalf and report their suspicions confidentially.  His symptoms and explicit threats to teachers would have been addressed.  A lot goes on behind the scenes in schools...lots of conversations by staff and admin about how individual kids are doing.  The kids' well-being is paramount.

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  15. Oh. Ok. You probably mentioned that before I just didn't remember ^_^ Yeah that was. I loved the additions though ;)

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  16. Carlisle's good at hiding it, and though schools definitely do their best, lots of kids slip through the cracks.

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  17. I personally consider everything you've written to fall under my parameters of a HEA (it doesn't have to be sunshine and roses and have adorable demon babies in it to be happy!)  - true, Hide & Drink, had you ended it where you originally conceived of it, would not have been, but that fic is sort of a different kettle of fish all together. It probably has the most ambiguously moral and reprehensibly acting Edward you've written (and I do include CBWR? in that grouping) and so it required a different kind of happy ending to not feel wrong and hollow. 

    But I digress. I'm so sorry you feel the need to warn people about what may or may not come up. :( Stories that have deeply unsettling endings usually have a lot of foreshadowing that things are going bad, and a careful reader can somewhat judge for themselves if it's a place they want to follow. I have not been let down by you yet, as the endings to your fics very much line up with their tone, and I highly doubt you're going to start now.

    (I'm actually completely shocked Offside has been this "fluffy" for this long!) 

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  18. I only recently figured out what was going to happen in Offside!  :)

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  19. Ahhh, that explains it! Well, cheers all around, then! 

    Do you know how long it's going to be yet? I'm always curious about that. 

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  20. I really don't.  It's so hard to say when the chapters are small.  It's more than halfway, but that's about all i got!  Maybe 120?  That's a total guess.

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  21. Yeah, I'd imagine this structure would inhibit your ability to outline "chapters" in the traditional way. Good enough for me! I was just kind of curious if we were at midpoint or just past it, and indeed, just past it. Oh, the horrors to come in the back end. Can't wait!

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  22. Savage,

    You know me by now, m a curious cat LOL. As the person below mentioned, I wrote previouly too, it was the other thread i think.

    Is Edward ever going to touch the whole experience with Angela and talk to Bella about it? Tell her from his perspective? Dont want spoilers or anything, just a yes or no will suffice. It is important for me. Thanks as always:)

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  23. I guess i have my answer:(..oh well..................

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  24. Well, I wouldn't say "lots"...a few probably...but not "lots". E.'s abrasiveness towards teachers and his threats wouldn't fly and he would have been called in. Staff in the the schools I have worked in would have requested an intervention, and a meeting with the parent. Carlisle is transparent because that he portrays everything as perfect. It smells and staff would pick up on that.

    I'm just concerned that the school and home "climate" is so bad that it starts to become less believable. Still a great story though and you're a very skillful writer.

    Cheers,
    Cindi

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  25. "Gone With the Wind" did not have a happy ending, yet people still read it - it's a classic!
    However, tomorrow IS another day, and no matter how sadly your stories end, people can always continue them in their minds, "tomorrow"!

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  26. Savage,

    Can you honestly say you don't "get it" when you lose readers over what is currently happening in your stories?  Let me share with you a bit of wisdom.  About 95% of the people who read E/B stories do not want to forced to read about either of them being with anyone other than each other.  Let me repeat that - People don't like reading Edward and Bella being with other people.   They don't want to read about Edward fucking Angela, they don't want to read about him getting a blowjob from Lauren or making out with Leah on the bus or being groped by Heidi.  These are things I would think you would pick up on after all this time writing ff.  There are many of us who have absolutely no problem with angst as long as it allows some common sense and communication between the main characters.  Like actually having Edward TALK to Bella and maybe trying to help her understand what is going on.  There is enough angst with what Carlisle is doing in Offsides without trying to manipulate us all once again by throwing Heidi in there to make us think Edward is going to cheat on Bella.  Hell, maybe he will! I wouldn't be surprised at all at this point.  Won't we all enjoy an entire update dedicated to having Edward getting sucked off by Heidi in the bathroom?  Do you actually think we would find that hot or sexy to read?  We won't.    

    Maybe you have a very different idea of what love and romance is, but many of us do not find it fun, entertaining, or enjoyable to read about Edward or Bella being with other people. There is plenty of the angst you love out there with the two of them working together instead of always falling back on the easy standby of throwing other people in the mix.  

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  27. Fuller elaboration on my blog twilightirruption.blogspot And thank you for a fanfic so well written

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  28. Yes - I can honestly say that.  Next blog post will address this. :)

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  29. It is what it is. This is how your write. HEA are subjective. In H&D as well as CBWR, to me it was because it made sense in the story. Hiding Bella, not so much because I felt the story was incomplete where you left it and have hopes you'll continue it one day. There's another really good writer I follow, Ooza, she wrote a phenominal story, Here In The Garden of Sin. She was lambasted for her ending and flamed. Again, to me, her ending made perfect sense with the story. But, people want a traditional HEA. That will not always happen based on the flow of the story. I am fine with that.

    The problem people are having with UC is the introduction of the perverial cheating and emotional shredding. It's a lot. UC is by far the most angsty you have ever written. Regardless of the time frame the story takes place in, people are not liking what is happening to their beloved E and B. I have to admit, I have a hard time with it to.

    In a nut shell, these are not your characters you created and developed. Many of us read FF and participate in the fandom because of our love for E & B and wanted more of them. Your storyline, and that is yours takes well known characters and places them them in some rough situations. It is hard to accept that when we know them so well and won't believe these things would happen to them. To me, it's the same when FF authors publish and have to change the names and places. I don't always like the story as much. it's a very catch-22 we as the readers are in as well as you as the writers are in.

    I think you are an extremely gifted and intelligent writer, hence Offside, though I am a little saddened by ppl wanting to kill Carlisle as opposed to looking at the situation on a whole. But that's just me.

    So we the readers, when we balk and get upset, have a little empathy for us. We are still reading and following, we are just very torn with the circumstances.

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  30. Honestly, that ending would have been far superior in my eyes. I just couldn't accept their romance after all he had done to her and other innocent bystanders. Bella would have been initially heartbroken, but I would have liked to see her heal and move on - perhaps with Jacob or someone else.

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  31. as a teacher of some 30 years standing, what you say can be and should be true. but plenty of kids fall through the cracks for many many reasons, and i find this situation with edward and carlisle very believable, unfortunately.

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